Re: Anti-Stupidity (Abortion Debate)

Posted on 07. Apr, 2011 by Brittney Winters in Politics

A commenter reflected upon the first paragraph of my article, entitled “Forget Pro-Choice and Pro-Life. How About Anti-Stupidity?” and I felt compelled to respond.

Here is the comment in its entirety:

response to the 1st paragraph… Please, my effort is not to be condescending.

Honesty in reporting please. No one is attempting to criminalizing miscarriages. I could barley get past that sentience, without beginning my response. Then you take the most extreme case, an 11 year old being raped. What percentage of Planned Parenthoods 332,278 abortions in 2009 where 11 year olds being raped by 18 men? Lets say all of them. If thats the case then our issue is much worse. Men are raping children, children are terminating their babies, double whammy.. But thats not the reality. Most abortions are the result of a moment of passion that results in a LIFE (part of the real debate).

The title of your article suggest that you are “Anti-Stupidity,” or “anti-ignorance” if you will. The reason that we identify as “pro-LIFE” is because we are for life. You are pro choice because you believe that women should have the right to chose death for the existing life of their unborn child. “Choice” is somewhat of an introduction to the equation. Allow nature to take its course and a LIFE will result. Even a women which has to choose between her life(staying alive) or the life of her child, will ultimately chose life. You are not stupid, you understand that a women in that situation is not choosing to terminate. She is put in a very challenging situation where she must choose which life to save. Im not stupid either, you are not advocating for this scenario when you identify as pro-choice.

So that i’m clear, lets consider the case of an 11 year old girl who is gang raped, and may die as the result of complications during pregnancy. The sentiment should be save LIVES(there is that word again). The doctor should attempt to save lives, save whom (mom/child) they can.

This debate is not about choice. If it were, you would consider the choice of the child. But you don’t. Are you consistent? What about the choice of the rapist? What about the choice of a racist? Why don’t you advocate for their choice to respond to what they deem necessary for their existence? Sounds absurd because it is. What about the choice of someone who kills/terminates a life? Of corse you know that a high percentage of abortions are simply used to terminate an unwanted life. Please be honest, your not stupid.

I will stop here for now so that i can read the rest of your post.

-a Christian: black husband father foster-parent.

Thank you for your commentary. It was well thought out and honest, even if it was extremely condescending, despite your disclaimer. Telling someone they’re not stupid multiple times in the same comment is the same as telling them they have the IQ of a melted crayon and your “my effort is not to be condescending” comes out the same as “I’m not racist, however,” but I digress. Let me respond to your comments:

1. There IS a bill in Georgia that would criminalize abortion and classify miscarriages as a felony if the mother cannot prove that there was “no human involvement” in the death of a fetus. See: “Prenatal Murder Bill Sparks Anger in Georgia”

2. My consternation about the New York Times article was not presupposing that the victim would need an abortion. I took issue with the fact that the reporter in question used language that implied that the victim brought her rape upon herself because of the way that she dressed and the company that she kept. No one, no matter with whom they hang out or how they dress, deserves to be raped, and a writer for such an influential publication should know better than to use language that implies such. Therefore, your statistic about Planned Parenthood abortions (which is misleading at best, given that in 2009, Planned Parenthood provided nearly 11.4 million medical services for 3 million people and those 332, 278 abortions would therefore comprise only 2.9% of all medical services provided, and the stripping of federal funding would also defund the other 97.1% of services) is irrelevant.

3. Your assertion that “most abortions are the result of a moment of passion that results in a LIFE” is not something that even you can support with facts. It is an opinion, one that muddies the waters to begin with. Even leaving out the debate over whether or not life begins at conception, your assertion is that most abortions are carried out as a belated form of birth control by women who otherwise fail to use basic contraception, which also implies a lack of responsibility on the part of the woman. In an ideal world, all those who have sex would be mentally, physically, and financially prepared to deal with a life that is created, but as you well know, the world we live in is far from ideal. In any case, unless you can come up with legitimate statistics as to the percent of abortions that are carried out because the woman just didn’t feel like having a kid, you can’t tell me that I’m being dishonest in my representation. My concern for the defunding of Planned Parenthood or the imposition of others’ beliefs upon my uterus has nothing to do with those that are irresponsible in their family planning techniques. My concern is for those who have limited options – namely, in the cases of rape, incest and medically necessary intervention. This is implied by the rest of my article, which I hope, by now, you have read. I advocate education over legislation, because while I am pro-choice, I would rather that no woman be forced to make that choice. Women don’t understand their options when it comes to sex to begin with, and therefore, have no freaking clue what their options are when they discover that they are pregnant.

4. I am not pro-choice because I “believe that women should have the right to choose death for the existing life of their unborn child.” You don’t know me and also, you didn’t even bother to read the rest of this article before commenting, so please don’t ascribe your assumptions to my belief system. I am pro-choice because sometimes “nature” has a terrible sense of humor. I assert again, that I don’t personally believe in abortion. But I also know that I don’t know every woman’s situation and neither do you, therefore I don’t think that either one of us should judge someone else for what they feel is necessary.

5. In speaking of allowing “nature to take its course”, then by that logic, there should be no medical intervention – ever. Which also means that there would be many lives averted thanks to the abolition of fertility treatments, which surely goes against “allowing nature to take its course”. Allowing nature to take its course means no pre- or post-natal treatments for women who choose to carry their children to term, endangering the lives of millions of fetuses and newborns. By extension, curing erectile dysfunction goes against nature. So does curing malaria, cancer, AIDS, and any other disease. What “nature” are you referring to? Are you consistent? You’re not stupid, so you’re not advocating for these scenarios when you identify as someone who believes that nature should take its course. Allow nature to take its course…and it is not certain that life will result.

6. Again, you don’t know me and your condescending tone implies that you think that you do. I am advocating for those who have terrible choices to make – in cases of rape, incest, and medically-necessary intervention, as well as those who are put in untenable situations due to failures in the education and healthcare system. Before I got my own healthcare coverage, my insurance provider refused to pay for my contraception. If I had gotten pregnant thanks to that ex-boyfriend of mine who couldn’t take “no” for an answer, you would have me forced to have a child I neither wanted nor agreed to have. A court would have a hard time coming up with a rape conviction because I had been intimate with him before (another issue entirely), so technically it wouldn’t be rape. So am I obligated to have that child? Hell no. It wasn’t my decision and a clump of cells in my uterus has about as much of a vote as the cyst in my kidney does. Having that child and being forced to look at the reminder of a terrible night every single day, or having to give my flesh and blood up to strangers who I cannot guarantee will care for it are not options to me. So if you can tell me what “choices” I have in this situation that wouldn’t make my skin crawl, please enlighten me.

7. Your decidedly messy example of an 11-year-old girl who is gang-raped, impregnated, and could die as a result of a pregnancy? You forget that I am NOT pro-abortion. Of course the child shouldn’t be forced to have this baby because “nature” willed it to be so…because “nature” is not being repeatedly violated by 18 different men, but if the child does carry the fetus to term and is compromised by the pregnancy, then by that point, of course the doctor should save as many lives as possible. I’m not saying, “Kill the baby and save the mom.” I’m saying that you shouldn’t ignore the life of the mother in favor of the child, which is the gist of current legislations that would force doctors to commit to saving a baby and ignoring the mother for fear of legal reprisal. These laws value the life of a fetus over that of the woman and therefore reduce women to nothing more than breeding machines. That’s where I have a problem.

8. This debate IS about choice. It’s about the ability to make informed decisions about one’s life free from the paternalistic laws that force women to submit to the laws proposed and passed by men who will never have to make these decisions themselves. Despite your earnest morality, which I do appreciate because we all need a concrete belief system, our government is constitutionally bound to separate religious fervor from legislation – something that a lot of people are forgetting here.

9. As for your arguments about my consistency in allotting people choices: Is the fetus capable of making a choice? No – it does not have a perception of self and if I’m wrong, show me the documentation. Does someone who violated my body get a choice? Hell to the no. Why you even introduced that atrocity into this argument is beyond my ability to comprehend and I’m personally offended that you would think that my, or any woman’s, attacker gets to choose whether or not they father a child upon their victim or that you would even think that would be a logical addendum to the allocation of choice. And where did you get the argument about a racist from? Are you conflating abortion and genocide? I don’t even understand your argument. If you’re arguing that a racist should be able to exterminate another race for the sake of their own existence by my logic, then not only are you incapable of understanding the logic of someone who differs in opinion from you, but also you are dangerously close to being as ignorant as you claim that I am not.

10. “What about the choice of someone who kills/terminates a life? Of course you know that a high percentage of abortions are simply used to terminate an unwanted life.” Again, be honest in your reporting, sir. Show me the statistics instead of your anecdotal, and I use that term loosely since obviously, as a man, you have never had this experience, evidence. Your casual dismissal of such a painful decision belies your so-called knowledge of the situation at hand. Also, if we’re equating abortion with murder, in this case it would more than likely be considered self-defense – protecting the well being of the mother. The Definition of Self Defense states that “A man may repel force by force in defence of his person, property or habitation, against any one who manifests, intends, attempts, or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a forcible felony, such as murder, rape, robbery, arson, burglary and the like. In these cases he is not required to retreat, but he may resist and even pursue his adversary, until he has secured himself from all danger.” I think that a clump of cells taking up squatting rights in my uterus without my permission counts as holding my body hostage against my will, and on top of it, making me ill and unable to carry on my daily existence for the next 18 years constitutes an aggression that would be justifiably defended against. This is, of course, an extreme definition and not personally how I feel about having children, but in this example, this is how a would-be mother could defend herself.

All this to say…next time, read the rest of my article before jumping to conclusions.

Articles on Abortion

Tags: Abortion, articles on abortion, Healthcare Reform, Joshua Stroud, Medical Interventions, Planned Parenthood, Pregnancy, Pro Choice, Pro Life, Rape

http://www.SicklyCat.com JohnCByrdIII

Whoa.
http://www.theitfactortv.com Jasmine

You went IN, Brittney!

“I will stop here for now so that i can read the rest of your post.” *blank stare*
http://www.SicklyCat.com Sarah B.

wow, wow, WOW!!! I’m sharing this with everyone!! Wonderful insight!! Thank you!
Nia

nice response.
Journey

Perfect response! every word
Courtney

I happen to agree with the commenter. Murder is murder regardless of the circumstances. No one is saying that rape isn’t wrong, but following it with murder only makes the situation worse.

There was a point when black life wasn’t valued either.

And be honest, most abortions are because girls (and women) are too selfish to take care of their responsibility, not because they were raped.
JohnJohnson

PTSD , no supprise to me ! I would have to say it is impossible for women who suffer from PTSD to have a normal relationship or be able to have a stable and normal relationship ; the amount of drama involved with women who have that issue is unbelievable ! So any young or older men out there that are single and looking for that special someone you might want to beware of women that have had a abortion no matter how good lookin they are !
Amanda

Women who get an abortion are no more likely to develop a serious mental disorder than anyone else in the population.
Jada

To John, I agree.
Katlin

John, i have PTSD and i have a very normal relationship with my boyfriend. Its been a couple years of us being together, a year living in the same household, and we have never had drama.
Leigh

John… I have PTSD and have been married to the same man for 22 years…. this is not only a stable and normal relationship it’s also a happy one. so although may not be common it’s not Impossible. Not so sure that those are PTSD issues all the way around anyway, people now are so different than years ago, it’s easier to walk away than to give it all you’ve got to make it work. Not trying to start an argument just saying :0). have a great day, Smile, God Bless
Leigh

oh let me mention,, my PTSD has nothing to do with abortion btw!!! have always thought it to be wrong!
Jada

Amamda, you are right! UNLESS that woman LATER gets pregnant, keeps the child, and tells someone else it is ok to get an abortion. Then she is either STUPID or CRAZY! Abortion is MURDER! If you do it before the child is born, you’ll do it after! However, your opinion is yours and I will not try to change it. I however am ANTI ABORTION
http://www.SicklyCat.com JohnCByrdIII

@ Courtney & Jada: Just for reference, When did an unborn child become a life? Immediately after conception? Is taking the “Plan B” pill ok? Before conception? Is using protection a sin? Are condoms unGodly?
Jacey

The U.S. Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision said that the human fetus is not a “person” under the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and that if the fetus were a Fourteenth Amendment “person,” then he or she would have a constitutional right to life.
Tajia

Wow….love it!!! This is always a heated topic. But I really can’t stand to hear people equate abortion with murder. Especially a man who can sit on a pedastool and look down on the womban (yeah I spelled that right) who has to make the tough and painful decision. I agree with John’s comment…where is the line drawn. Not so black and white is it?
Chuz

The legal definition for person is “Human being.” I ask you, “if a human child in the fetal stage of their life is NOT a “human being”…. then what kind of “being” is it?
http://standardsareforpeoplewhohaveoptions.blogspot.com Brittney Winters

I’d like to point out that in Judaic tradition, infants aren’t ensouled until after 30 days of life.

And again, I’d like to reiterate that I’m anti-abortion in general, but I think it would be equally irresponsible to outlaw it. People have a habit of doing really stupid things when they’re backed into a corner and abortions are one of those things that if it has to be done, you want it done by a professional.
Brandale

PPL USE COMMON SENSE….. We need to focus our collective energy on changing this SEX CRAZED society that we live in… there would be less people having abortions for the WRONG reasons .. if there were less people having SEX for the wrong reasons… For example, how would this convo look if we were talking about band-aids instead of abortions? One side saying we need band-aids and the other saying outlaw band-aids…. why not focus on keeping more ppl from falling and cutting themselves and then if they do …. determine if they REALLY need a band-aide or not…
Jada

John, the moment God decides to give you a child you will get pregnant NO MATTER what you do. If you don’t want a baby USE PROTECTION! If God wants you to have a baby you WILL NOT MATTER WHAT! So when you find out you are pregant and get an abortion YOU MURDERED YOUR CHILD! If God STILL sees fit he will give you another and you’d better keep it, because God will NEVER put a human of ANY age in a dangerous situation! IF you have never had an abortion PTSD is NORMAL after child birth. If you’ve had an abortion and thought it was ok and you then have a child and kill it… IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WTH PTSD, you were already CRAZY! PTSD it not a pregnancy specif condition! MILITARY MEMBERS, MOTHERS, FATHERS, MEN, WOMEN, and EVEN CHILDREN can suffer from PTSD for any number of reasons! PTSD is real, but crazy women who kill their kids use as an excuse to get off for murder! SAME WITH TEMPORAY INSANITY IGNORANCE and COERCION!!! No matter what question you ask me it’s still going to add up to AMANDA BEING AN IDIOT! no offence
http://standardsareforpeoplewhohaveoptions.blogspot.com Brittney Winters

I’m with Brandale. We can argue all the live long day about this, but until we get to the underlying causes (ignorance of sexual health, a lack of access to regular healthcare, violence against women, and general ignorance of consequences of sex), we won’t get anywhere.
Amanda

Hun I only see one idiot here, which I define by making no sense in her arguements, and its not Jacey and I.

Women get port-partum depression I have honestly never of them getting ptsd, those are two different conditions.

John the main point was the article above about a pro-lifer making a bad arguement. Anything about abortion applies
Katlin

Post-partum is more likely to be brought on by unnatural child birth (Csection or use of drugs during birth). Also, taking away the baby to be tested instead of placing on the mother’s chest is very much a cause….. PTSD is post tramatic stress disorder – it happens when something completly tramatic happens in your life, such as being raped, or seeing a loved one murdered in front of you (Just to name a few examples for both)
http://www.SicklyCat.com JohnCByrdIII

My point is that there are a variety of beliefs. Catholics believe that prophylactics are sinful. So would Courtney or Jada defend the right of someone to use a condom or birth control?

They would look at you as a sinner if you did. There is always someone further down the moral spectrum, which makes this all relative.

I have a problem with the state policing morality. What happens if Muslims become the majority and they want to make eating pork ribs against the law? Will you still be in support of government policing morality.

You only support it NOW because “Christians” head the gov’t. You don’t REALLY believe what you preach!
Mackenzie

Point #5…. Just, YES. We thwart nature every day, just by purifying our drinking water. The earth, on a whole, is not exactly pro-life on a consistent basis, as it has produced such wonders as the guinea worm, polio, and rheumatoid arthritis.
Jada

Katlin, people are rapped, murdered, beaten, and kill every day. Would you do it to your child? God doesn’t cause people to do those things they CHOOSE to just as some women CHOOSE to have an abortion and kill their kids
Katlin

Jade, you clearly said god will not put us in a situation where we will be hurt. Clearly you are contradicting yourself here… Either god protects us from all harm, or he just doesn’t give a shit
synergy

A lot of god comments in here. Congress shall make no law… etc. You cannot impose a law which is based on a religious belief, that there is a god which may or may not be “ensouling” a clump of cells (or a mature, out-of-the-cooker infant) as some people do not have the same belief and some do not believe at all.
J Galloway

the supreme court is just a group of people. They have their own opinions and biases. No different than us… what matters is if we think a human in the fetal stage is still a human…:) which it is.. we all don’t believe everything our government / supreme says … at least I hope not
Darla G

It may be your head and it may be your body, but YOU AREN’T KILLING YOURSELF. The person who’s life you are ending isn’t YOU, IT”S YOUR CHILD!!!

Your rights end where another person’s body begins!

No matter where THAT BODY happens to exist!!!
Katlin

I 100% disagree Darla. I am a woman, not a baby making machine. I shouldnt be forced to give birth, more so when I`m at a high risk of death… my life > fetus
J Galloway

Katlin your child’s life is worth as much as your own.
Katlin

Not to me when it comes to the point of me dying.
J Galloway

Well I would die for mine and I’m sorry you feel that way… I just feel sorry about it.
Moe

ehow on ‘how to have your a** handed back to you.’ classic.
http://www.highonquack.blogspot.com Jess

Great counterpoint to that person’s critique of your article.
S.B.

Ummm, am I the only one who saw Jada’s comment “because God will NEVER put a human of ANY age in a dangerous situation!”
What planet do you live on Jada? One in which no human of any age is in a dangerous situation!?!? Haha! Maybe you haven’t heard the statistics on hunger, murder, rape, genocide, spousal abuse, unemployment, child abuse, homelesness (and the list goes on) all around the world. Where is this magical god and his almighty power to protect all humans when all this is going on??
All of these crazed comments assume EVERYONE believes in (a Christian) god and adheres to “his” rules 100%!! I love how people pick and choose what rules and commandments to abide by and to judge others on. Really the decision to abort within a time period that the baby could not survive on its own outside the mother’s body is the mother’s decision ONLY. Bottom line. Why do any of you think you have the right to tell anyone else what they should and should not do based on your own moral and religious compass??? Grow a brain.
S.B.

just saw Kaitlin & John’s comments. High 5!
http://www.SicklyCat.com JohnCByrdIII

@ SB, HAAA. I didn’t even want to address the contradictions in Jada’s post. I didn’t know where to begin.
Mike

@Jada. Your comments show clearly that this is a religious issue and not based on science or health. You have no right under our constitution to FORCE your religious views on me, my wife or my daughter.
Markey

Brittney,

While I sympathise with many of your points, as a Christian, I still must defer to right vs. wrong.

So many people have been put in situations where tough decisions have to be made, but just because the decision is a hard one doesn’t justify making the wrong decision.

I don’t know how I would feel if my daughter got raped. Hopefully I would have the strength to convince her to keep the child. Who knows if I will be that strong.

I’m not like the other pro-life people on this post. I’m not gonna judge as a person you for your choices, no matter how wrong they are.

I implore you to reconsider your stance and give life a chance.
Qiana

I would love to see all the people who believe in anti-choice (no matter what the circumstance) do a little more to help prevent abortions. If you really care about the lives of these unborn children why don’t you make it your life’s mission to make sure that a serious sex education curriculum (not just abstinence only) is implemented in every school across America. While you’re at it, make sure that the Plan B contraceptive is easily available to any female who is able to get pregnant regardless of their age or situation (just in case a child is raped by a relative and doesn’t want to tell anyone or a woman is raped by her husband but doesn’t want to have to go through the humiliation of reporting it or even for the so-called majority of women you say get abortions…you know, the ones who “got lost in the heat of the moment”). Lastly, why don’t you start a non-profit where you help women forgo abortions by offering to raise their child until the age of 18 guaranteeing them nutritious food to eat, a loving home to live in and a proper education without the possibility of ever entering a foster home.

People who believe in anti-choice don’t give a damn about the lives these children have to endure after their born. If you did, you would do more than just run your mouth.

Aiding in the prevention of unwanted pregnancies will give you a lot more credibility and more support for your cause to save lives than judging, persecuting and leaving no options for women who feel trapped. Let God deal with their decision. I’m pretty sure he didn’t leave you in charge of policing morality on this earth.
http://standardsareforpeoplewhohaveoptions.blogspot.com Brittney Winters

Markey,

I respect your opinion and I’d like to point out that I’ve never had an abortion, would never want one and would never actively encourage anyone to have one.

I just don’t feel that I have the right to tell someone else what is best for them, much less that the government has the right to outlaw something based on religious fervor and not on facts.

So I do give life a chance. I just don’t believe in telling anyone else how to live theirs.
http://standardsareforpeoplewhohaveoptions.blogspot.com Brittney Winters

Also, PREACH on, Qiana!
Markey

Quiana,

Just because I choose to speak the truth about right and wrong, doesn’t make it MY responsibility to take care of the child.

Do I have to jump in front of a bullet to be justified in saying that drive by’s are wrong?

Brittney,

I apologize in assuming that you had (or would have) an abortion, but allowing for abortion is the same as condoning murder. In ANY other case, that would be accessory to murder. Why not in this case?
Qiana

@Darla, ummm where does it say that your rights end when another person’s life begins? I need sources because I’ve actually never seen that written anywhere.

But, for the sake of argument let’s say that it was true. No, let’s say that Jesus himself came down from heaven and added a sticky note to everyone’s bible with that statement written as the 11th commandment. Then let’s say there’s an unfortunate case of rape. Are you offering to pay for the hospital expenses when the baby is born? Are you offering to pay for ongoing healthcare costs? Are you offering to pay for the therapy of a child who was conceived because it’s mother was raped? Are you offering to pay for daycare? Are you helping with the rent? Are you paying for college expenses?

Stop imposing your own morality on others. It is not your place. God gave us free will. And because of that free will he will judge each and every one of us accordingly in the end.

When your judgment day comes I wonder if he’ll ask you why you didn’t do more helping and less judging.
Qiana

@Markey, you’re not just speaking the truth you’re imposing your beliefs on someone else.

Your words will continue to fall upon deaf ears until you at least pretend like you give a hell about these children after they’re born.

You talk the talk but that’s about it. You’re not actually doing anything to stop the problem. Women will continue to have abortions whether they’re done legally or not. In the mean time you’ve save NO LIVES with your meaningless words.

If it’s truly about saving lives then stop talking and get up and DO SOMETHING.
haley

Women have been “restoring menses” for as long as women have been getting pregnant. It’s a fact- like other worldly phenomena we as human beings may find distasteful. People are going to do what they feel they have to do. What is really at stake here is whether the United States government can compel me to go through with a pregnancy. If they are given that power over MY god given body (which in religious terms would hand my free will over to the government effectively making gods out of politicians and law-makers) – THAT would be criminal. And where would that end? If my reproductive organs are governed by anyone but me- how can anything good come from that? I hope to never have to make the decision to have an abortion but my heart breaks at the thought of standing before a court and being told what I have to do with my body by men & women and zealots who feel only *their own opinions and *their fear of *their god and have no compassion for the individual American woman.
Melissa

I believe most if not all are taking one extreme situation of an 11 y/o being raped. AN 11 Y/O BEING RAPED That is the problem not the fact that you all are PRO MURDER. I was young and had a child from a ridiculous love affair, but where was that my daughters fault ;and there are many parents out there that cant have children..that would love and support that innocent child.. IF YOU ALL WOULD STOP BEING SO DAM SELFISH . If the event is life or death for the mother.I have personally seen miracles happen when a pure choice is made. some are spared even when all stakes are at hand but none of any of yall have an ounce of faith anymore in OUR GOD . you choose to blog this CRAP.FIRST NIGHT ON THIS STUFF! SENDS ME INTO RAMPAGE OVER YALLS IDIOTIC IDEAS!!! GROW A HEART!!!!.
Lulu

I’d like to read scientific proof that “Women who get an abortion are no more likely to develop a serious mental disorder than anyone else in the population.” I have a hard time believing that statement to be true. Look everyone, women have the right to do what they want with their bodies. People are so quick to say that women are irresponsible for having abortions but they are in fact being responsible. They’re taking a stand and admitting they’re not ready to be a mother, to care for the child financially, etc. Isn’t that better than to have a child, be on welfare, not care for it? What about the women that are raped? Don’t they have a right to decide if they want to become a mother? I’d really like for people to stop and really think about this? Stop pushing your religious beliefs on us and judging us for being responsible and not just having kids we can’t care for. Enough! And please, I really want someone to show me scientific proof that women who get abortions suffer from mental disorders. I really find that hard to believe.
@ Quiana-thank you! Well said (written)
S Corbin

HERE! HERE! I am also one of those who do NOT believe in abortion, however I also do not believe I have the right to decide for SOMEONE ELSE what THEY should believe. I feel that women who are in a situation where their lives are in danger or are the victim of rape should have the CHOICE to decide for themselves what to do. I applaud the author for standing up for themself. Great job!
Katlin

Feel sorry all you want. I want to raise my own children. I know my spouse wouldn’t be able to handle it on his own.. His parents are in their 80′s, and my mother has too many health complications to be responsible to raise a child. We dont have anyone else to help us out full time.
Qiana

@Melissa, a few things…

1. You had the CHOICE and CHOSE to keep your daughter. She’s one of the lucky ones whose mother WANTED to keep her. My mother had me at 19 years old. I’m grateful that she too CHOSE to keep me. BUT, what about the children whose mother’s don’t want them and are FORCED to keep them? What type of life will they live? Let’s find out…

2. You say that women who are FORCED to keep their unwanted babies have the option to put their children up for adoption because there are many parents who can’t have children that would love and support that child. That’s a bunch of crap. Here’s the TRUTH.

There are over 500,000 children (YES, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND) children and youth in the foster care system.

Over 50% of them (YES, FIFTY PERCENT) become homeless (YES, HOMELESS) within the first 18 months of emancipation.

Youth in foster care are 44% less likely to graduate from high school and after they turn 18 40-40% never complete high school.

Less than half of former foster youth are employed 2.5-4 years after leaving foster care, and only 38% have maintained employment for at least one year.

Girls in foster care are SIX TIMES more likely to give birth before the age of 21 than the general population.

Parents with a history of foster care are almost twice as likely as parents with no such history to see their own children placed in foster care or become homeless.

And the cycle continues.

You tell us all to have a heart. That’s pretty heartbreaking if you ask me.

3. Outlawing abortion isn’t the only way to solve the problem. Prevention could be just as effective. If the pro-life world morality police dedicated more of their time trying to help prevent people from getting into a situation where they would have to make a choice in the first place the world would be a much better place.

4. I have nothing but faith in God. But, last time I checked the bible, Jesus helped people CHOOSE a different a path rather than calling them whores and murderers and throwing them in jail for their CHOICES. You know, the choices he gave them FREE WILL to make.

This argument we’re having is about SAVING LIVES right? Just wondering if you’ve done anything other than push YOUR morality upon others to help SAVE LIVES. According to the statistics above, there are a lot of young women in foster care that are six times more likely to give birth before the age of 21. Maybe you should head over to one of the homes and teach a class on safe sex practices. While you’re at it you can buy them all ovulation calculators so they know when they’re most likely to get pregnant or convince a doctor to provide free contraceptive to all girls of childbearing age. Or for the ones that are already pregnant, offer to pay for babysitting services so they can either go to school full time or look for a job during the day. Lastly, reassure them that you’ll do whatever it takes to make sure that the lives of their unborn fetuses won’t turn out like theirs did. Or, like Markey stated above, is that not your responsibility? If so, I’m assuming God came down from heaven and told you that he wanted you to police everyone until he comes back and you can leave the benevolence to someone else.

5. Lastly, for the record, I’m not PRO MURDER I’m ANTI SHITTY LIFE for unwanted children thrown into the system or raised by moronic abusive parents.
http://www.SicklyCat.com JohnCByrdIII

Whoa again! Qiana & Brittney need a TV show. Two intelligent pissed off Black chicks… What would we call it?
Lulu

“Two Intelligent Pissed off Black Chicks”
JeremyQ

My wife and I have had two children and have adopted three children so far. All where unwanted. But not killed. Yes it is your womb to do with as you please. The child in it is not yours to do with as you please.If you are a christian you will know your body is not yours it is Gods. Your children are not yours. They are Gods. Born or unborn not yours! Thousands of parents like me and my wife will continue to take over the parenting duities for people who want there “life back”.

Rape or not, that child deserves a shot at life. I….I will love them. No I cant love all of them but with the help of the other adoptive parents we will continue to do the job we where all called to do and love our children no matter how or when we got them. NOT kill them. If there is anyone on this post that wishes there mother would have had an abortion speek up!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also doubt all of you had a great life growing up. I know I had an awfull childhood but I wouldnt change it for the world. I love life and what it brings. Even the awfull things have molded me into a great man that that can do a lot of good. Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% the way you respond. If you abort a child no matter what anyone tells you you ARE a MURDER! You will pay for it in this lifetime or the next. Someone like me will love your baby. Please give it a chance to be loved.
Qiana

@Jeremy, by adopting three children you are one of few people who have actually done more to help the lives of children who weren’t aborted and that’s way more than most of these anti-choice commenters have or will ever do.

BUT calling women who have had abortions MUDERERS (in all caps) doesn’t prevent women from having ABORTIONS and makes you look like a self-righteous extremely judgmental non-Christian man. I doubt you’ve lived nothing but a pure and sinless life. I’m sure there are many sins that you too will be paying for in your lifetime or the next. Try reading John 8:7. Maybe it will help you choose or more effective method of helping women CHOOSE life.

By the way, the suicide rate among homeless males aged 18 to 24 is 10.3 times higher than the national average. Try asking them (instead of people where the obvious answer is no) if they wish their mother would have had an abortion.
http://standardsareforpeoplewhohaveoptions.blogspot.com Brittney Winters

Can someone PLEASE explain to me what Christianity has to do with legislation? Because last time I checked, this country had a separation between church and state. You can’t make laws based on what your god tells you to do.

If you’re morally against abortions in accordance with your religion, fine. But that does not and should not translate in Congress.
Joshua Stroud

Please see the picture in the heading for the article on motherhood http://www.sicklycat.com/2011/04/05/motherhood/.

Question, is there a person in there? If so, how did that person get in there? When did that person get in there? Should anyone have the right to kill that person?

Seems like common since, but must be stupid.
http://www.SicklyCat.com JohnCByrdIII

@ Josh: No one is promoting 3rd trimester abortions.
Joshua Stroud

@Big John Byrd III: Is it less person 1st trimester? What determines personhood?
Joshua Stroud

@Big John Byrd III Part II: When did that 3rd trimester person get in there?
http://www.highonquack.blogspot.com Jess

Personhood is defined as at birth. That’s the legal definition, that’s the traditional definition. It’s only been in the last decade in attempt to make abortion illegal again, that anyone has tried to say otherwise.
http://www.facebook.com/SicklyCatMagazine John Calvin Byrd III

@Josh, Do you believe that using condoms is sinful?
Dureya

The Bible teaches as well that God has given man the ability and authority to make decisions of his own free will. We must “choose” him and his way. We must decide to be a Christian or not… Does He endorse “Abortion”? I think not… However, he is pro choice…
Joshua

@Big John, When did that 3rd trimester person get in there?
Joshua

@ John, sin: nn”The essence of sin is man substituting himself for God, while the essence of salvation is God substituting himself for man. Man asserts himself against God and puts himself where only God deserves to be; God sacrifices himself for man and puts himself where only man deserves to be. Man claims prerogatives which belong to God alone; God accepts penalties which belong to man alone.” John Stott
Joshua

@Dureya The logic then, that would have to follow your reasoning is that God with choice, has given consequence. nnFor example God tells the children of Isreal in Deuteronomy 30:19-20: nn”I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death,blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, 20loving the LORD your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”nnHe says the choice is yours, here are the consequences for that choice, now chose life. nnRead the whole chapter for the context in full. nnTherefore, although He allows choice He tells us what to choose. So then, He is also pro obey His word, or Pro Life…..
http://www.facebook.com/SicklyCatMagazine John Calvin Byrd III

But the question is: “Who is the enforcer of the consequences?” Is it man or is it God? Is it now or is it in the afterlife?nnIs it OUR place to mandate morality? That’s unbiblical. nnOf course according to the Bible, God had certain things that he wants us to do and other things he wants us to abstain from. (Homosexuality for example). In the Bible, God is CLEARLY against that. No questions or confusion about it.nnBut God still gives them the RIGHT to make that decision no matter HOW much he abhors it. Who are WE to say that they CANNOT get married. That’s not Christlike at ALL!

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